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Copied below is the "Buddhist sex abuse cases" article that I recently contributed to Wikipedia under my monniker "Rinpoche" and which was deleted by their community without allowing me to defend it.

It's in Wiki mark-up language. If you have a Wikipedia account you can just copy the text and put it in your sand box to read. It's in two parts, first the userpage and then the talk page.

My editing rights have been indefinitely blocked and my user space deleted. This is because I naturally asked for a review of the decision to delete it and in the ensuing discussion it seems I unfortunately "trolled" their community which I had to look up but apparently it's where you tell someone to go fuck themselves plus like I very unfortunately let slip an allusion to masturbation (instead of Heiddeger's notion of 'aletheia' I meant to allude to) which I do admit and did immediately apologise in all good faith, all it basically was being that I simply happened to be wanking myself at the time as I was writing and just got a bit confused that's all and it really shouldn't have been held againt me all that much but oh no noli me tangere sutor, ne ultra crepidam they all went absolutely critical as if they never indulged themselves wankers and cobblers all, believe that if you can but they don't fool me.

For myself I would characterise the level of discussion on their part, I mean the Wikipedia administrators (ordinary users couldn't really participate because they couldn't read the article), as extremely aggressive and absolutely infantile. The reference I begin with above to the work of Deborah Gruenfeld on the corrupting effects of power is for their instruction and not the Buddhist abusers they are ultimately defending.

Do what you will with my article. I wrote it out of compassion for all sentient beings.

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'''Buddhist sex abuse cases''' refer to abusive sexual relationships within Buddhist communities and especially a number of cases that have emerged in recent decades involving teachers within the emerging Western Buddhist community.

By 'abusive' relationships are meant especially relationships involving minors and novices as well as those cases of consensual relationships between adults where nevertheless (as is the case with minors and novices) there must be a presumption of abuse when one partner, typically a teacher, is plainly exploiting a position of power or trust within the community over the other.

==Recent alleged cases involving teachers in the Western Buddhist community==
There have been several reported cases alleging abusive sexual relationships involving teachers in the Western Buddhist community in recent decades. The following is a list of the most significant figures involved, all of them leaders of entire communities and all of them in the forefront of the movement post 1960s introducing Buddhism to the West.

*'''Chögyam Trungpa'''
:[[Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche]] founded the [[Vajradhatu]] (now [[Shambhala International]]) community in the United States. It was openly acknowledged that he had sexual relations with a number of his female disciples.<ref>{{cite book
  | editor = Melvin McLeod
  |last1 = Mukpo
  |first1 = Diana
  |first2 = Carolyn Rose
  |last2 = Gimian
  |url = http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=A18SG1eR18EC&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216&dq=%22Diana+16,+Runs+Away+to+Marry+a+Monk%27&source=bl&ots=sgu-CjPJx4&sig=xRxbTIAFp9cWjC0uWO5F5SSjRfI&hl=en&ei=4Pp8TMbeNpCRjAeC0-jRDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Diana%2016%2C%20Runs%20Away%20to%20Marry%20a%20Monk%27&f=false
  |chapter = Married to the Guru
  |title = The Best Buddhist Writing 2007
  |publisher = Shambhala Sun
  |pages= 216–238
  |year = 2005
  |isbn = 1590302753
}}</ref><ref>{{cite book
  |last = Butterfield
  |first = Stephen
  |title = The Double Mirror: A Skeptical Journey into Buddhist Trantra
  |publisher = North Atlantic Books
  |page = 100
  |year = 1994
  |isbn = 1556431767
}}</ref>

*'''Ösel Tendzin'''
:[[Ösel Tendzin]] (Thomas Frederick Rich, Jr) was appointed 'regent' of Vajradhatu by Trungpa and took over the leadership of the community following Trungpa's death. He was promiscuously bisexual and continued to practise unprotected sex with his disciples despite knowing he was HIV positive (as was also known to the Vajradhatu board).<ref>{{cite book
  |last = Hayward
  |first = Jeremy
  |title = Warrior-King of Shambhala: Remembering Chogyam Trungpa
  |publisher = Wisdom Publications
  |pages = 407–409
  |year = 2007
  |isbn = 0861715462
}}</ref>

*'''Ole Nydahl'''
:[[Ole Nydahl]] is the founder of [[Diamond Way Buddhism]]. At age 68 he acknowledged having sex with his students but said "There’s no teacher-student relationship involved in that, they’re Diamond Way Buddhists, but they’re not my students in that moment. They’re equal partners".<ref>{{cite web |url=http://lacrossetribune.com/news/local/article_bc6ed916-d197-11de-85b7-001cc4c002e0.html |title=Lama Ole: Buddhist teacher or charlatan?|author=Joe Orso |date= 15 November 2009|work= La Crosse Tribune |publisher= |accessdate=7 September 2010}</ref>
:In a reply to a letter by [[Shamar Rinpoche]] criticising Nydahl's emphasis that the "bliss of sex is the experience of mind" <ref>{{cite web |url= http://www.tilogaard.dk/Shamarpa__Bodhi_Path_and_Lama_Ole_Nydahl.pdf|title= Bodhi Path and Lama Ole Nydahl |author= Shamar Rinpoche |date= 6 July 2010|work= |publisher= |accessdate=27 September 2010}}</ref>, Nydahl said that he had never taught anything that the [[16th Karmapa]] had not asked him to pass on and adds in a postscript "P.S. Any woman worldwide who has received sexual Tantra teachings from me will upon confirmation receive $1000" <ref>{{cite web |url= http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,59830,page=46|title= Letter No.39/10 |author= Lama Ole Nydahl |date= 10 July 2010|work= Ole Nydahl and Diamond Way Buddhism|publisher= Cult Education Forum|accessdate=27 September 2010}}.</ref>

*'''Sogyal Rinpoche'''
[[File:Sogyal Rinpoche LL AMR 2006-01.jpg|left|80px|[[Sogyal Rinpoche]]|alt= "a chubby bespectacled oriental not very sexy looking gentleman in his early sixties perhaps who looks a bit like a monk dressed in robes is speaking into a microphone"]]
:[[Sogyal Rinpoche]] founded [[Rigpa]], an international Buddhist organisation.

:A $10 million 1994 lawsuit filed in California by Janice Doe (an agreed pseudonym) alleged fraud, assault and battery, infliction of emotional distress and breach of fiduciary duty. It also alleged that he had “seduced many other female students for his own sexual gratification”.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/briefing-document-on-sogyal-rinpoche/ |title=Briefing document on Sogyal Rinpoche |author= |date= April 7, 2009 |work= Dialogue Ireland |publisher= |accessdate=5 September 2010}}</ref>

:The lawsuit was settled for an undisclosed sum. Since then however allegations of abuse have continued. Apologists point out that Sogyal is not a celibate monk. Detractors reply that there must be legitimate concerns that he abuses his position, pointing out that he lacks credibility as a 'chick magnet'.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.american-buddha.com/ran.sog.chas.htm |title=Randy Sogyal, best selling lecher |author=Charles Carreon |date=|work= American Buddha Online Library |publisher= |accessdate=5 September 2010}}</ref>

*'''Zentatsu Richard Baker'''
:[[Zentatsu Richard Baker]] took over the leadership of the [[SFZC|San Francisco Zen Centre]] following the death of [[Shunryu Suzuki]], author of the classic ''[[Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind]]'' and founder of the first Zen Buddhist monastery in the United States. He resigned in 1984 following a series of well-publicised revelations of his affairs with the wife of a senior member of the community and a number of others.<ref>{{cite book
  |last = Downing
  |first = Michael
  |title = Shoes Outside the Door: Desire, Devotion, and Excess at San Francisco Zen Center
  |publisher = Counterpoint
  |pages =
  |year = 2002
  |isbn = 582432546
}}</ref>

*'''Roshi Eido Tai Shimano'''
:[[Eido Tai Shimano|Roshi Eido Tai Shimano]] was leader of the New York [[Zen Studies Society]] which had been established in 1956 to assist the celebrated Zen scholar [[D. T. Suzuki]]. He resigned in July 2010 following the disclosure of a " recent inappropriate relationship" with a female student. However rumours of his misconduct had been circulating on the internet for years.<ref>{{cite web |url = http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2010/03/the-aitken-shimano-letters// |title=The Aitken-Shimano Letters |author= Stuart Lachs and Vladimir Keremidschieff |date= 12 March 2010 |work= buddhistgeeks |publisher= |accessdate=5 September 2010}}</ref>

*'''Sangharakshita'''
:[[Sangharakshita]] (Dennis Philip Edward Lingwood) was the founder of the Friends of the Western Buddhist Order (now the [[Triratna Buddhist Community]]). A 1997 newspaper report alleged sexual misconduct, dogmatism and misogyny within the movement during the 1970s and 1980s. The report described a relationship between Sangharakshita and a 22 year-old novice who had allegedly been encouraged to overcome his anti-homosexual conditioning so that he might develop spiritually.
::He would want to have sexual contact about twice a week on average. He usually said something like, 'Let me just lie beside you for a while'. I dreaded hearing this but felt mean and selfish if I thought of refusing. It was distressing, but some of the other Buddhist practices I had recently learned were themselves strange, such as meditation, but there were apparent benefits.<ref>{{Cite news
  | last = Bunting
  | first = Madeleine
  | coauthors =
  | title = The Dark Side of Enlightenment
  | newspaper = The Guardian
  | location =
  | pages =
  | language =
  | publisher =
  | date = 27 October 1997
  | url = http://www.ex-cult.org/fwbo/Guardian.htm
  | accessdate = 5 September 2010 }}</ref>
:The community remains supportive of Sangharakshita.<ref>{{cite book
  | editor = Karma Lekshe Tsomo
  |last = Harris
  |first = Elizabeth J.
  |url = http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cs1SuxlkG4QC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Innovative+Buddhist+Women:+Swimming+Against+the+Stream&source=bl&ots=_dA0s6eI8Y&sig=JPt1b3Wb63kr4ldACfwJVZtc-Ng&hl=en&ei=F_yDTOmfONS7jAfa4rCNCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Dark%20side%20of%20enlightenment&f=false
  |chapter = Buddhism and the Media
  |title = Innovative Buddhist Women: Swimming Against the Stream
  |publisher = Routledge
  |pages= 266–267
  |year = 2000
  |isbn = 0700712534
}}</ref>

==Literature==
*'''Sandra Bell:''' ''Scandals in Emerging Western Buddhism'' <ref>{{cite book
  |editor = Charles S Prebish & Martin Baumann
  |last = Bell
  |first = Sandra
  |url = http://dro.dur.ac.uk/3932/1/3932.pdf
  |chapter = Scandals in Emerging Western Buddhism
  |title = Westward Dharma: Buddhism Beyond Asia
  |publisher = University of California Press
  |pages= 230–242
  |year = 2002
  |isbn = 0520226259
}}</ref>
:Analyzes the scandals involving Vajradhatu and the San Francisco Zen Centre and argues that
::scandals resulting from this kind of conduct by teachers are most likely to occur in organisations that are in transition between the pure forms of charismatic authority that brought them into being and more rational, corporate forms of organization
:additionally proposing that
::despite the constraining effects of the shift to corporate organizational structures, relations between individual meditation teachers and their students continue to retain inherent, and potentially disruptive, charismatic qualities.

*'''June Campbell'''
:Gives a feminist critique of Tibetan Buddhism in ''Traveller in Space: Gender, Identity and Tibetan Buddhism''.<ref>{{cite book
  |last = Campbell
  |first = June
  |title = Traveller in Space: Gender, Identity and Tibetan Buddhism
  |publisher = Continuum International Publishing Group
  |year = 2002
  |isbn = 0826457193
}}</ref>
::What I argue in the book is that if it is the case that women did once have a more prominent religious role, then it had certainly declined by the time the [[tulku]] system was introduced. I argue that early Tibetan Buddhism replaced much of the Mother Goddess worship and incorporated all the female symbolism of the Lotus Goddess into [[Chenrezig]] (the Bodhisattva of Compassion). The tulku system was what put the tin lid on any potential for women to gain equality in the religious sphere, or for their voices to be heard. It ensured the power of the divine male. Women were excluded from the sacred domain, except under conditions laid down by men, and "tantra" was used as a means of polarizing male and female as opposites. As a result, women and their role in the system had to remain hidden. This created very ambivalent attitudes. And in order to keep alive the tantric tradition - as it was being practiced - women had to be kept secret.<ref name = Campbell>{{cite web |url= http://www.anandainfo.com/tantric_robes.html |title= Tantric Robes |author= June Campbell  |date= December 1996 |work= Tricycle magazine|publisher= |accessdate=5 September 2010}}</ref>
:In her book she draws on her experience as an alleged secret consort of [[Kalu Rinpoche]].
::My relationship with Kalu Rinpoche was not a partnership of equals. When it started. I was in my late twenties. He was almost seventy. He controlled the relationship. I was sworn to secrecy. What I am saying is that it was not a formal ritualistic relationship, nor was it the "tantric" relationship that people might like to imagine...
:::[You ended up feeling sexually exploited? Used for personal indulgence?]
::Obviously at the time and for some years afterwards I didn't think this. How could I? It would have caused me too much distress to see it in this light. It took me many years of thinking about the whole thing to see it differently, and to begin speaking about my experience. This wasn't easy. I tried through writing to understand why people rationalize these acts as beneficial, and it made me question a lot of things. I've got no doubts now that when a male teacher demands a relationship that involves secret sex, an imbalance of power, threats, and deception, the woman is exploited.''<ref name = Campbell />

*'''Piya Tan'''
:[[Piya Tan]] has written a web essay on the subject of ''Bad friendship: Avoiding unwholesome teacher-pupil relationships''. The treatment is somewhat partisan but the available literature is thoroughly surveyed.<ref>{{cite web |url= http://dharmafarer.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/34.1-Bad-friendship-Piya.pdf|title= Bad friendship: avoiding unwholesome teacher-pupil relationships |author= Piya Tan|date= 2006, 2010|work= |publisher= |accessdate=5 September 2010}}</ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*{{cite web |url=http://www.shambhala.org/ |title= Shambhala |author= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate=5 September 2010}}
*{{cite web |url=http://www.rigpa.org/ |title= Rigpa |author= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate=5 September 2010}}
*{{cite web |url=http://www.diamondway-buddhism.org/  |title= Diamond Way Buddhism Worldwide|author= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate=7 September 2010}}
*{{cite web |url=http://www.sfzc.org/ |title= San Francisco Zen Center |author= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate=5 September 2010}}
*{{cite web |url=http://www.daibosatsu.org/  |title= The Zen Studies Society |author= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate=5 September 2010}}
*{{cite web |url=http://www.fwbo.org/index.php  |title= Triratna Buddhist Community |author= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate=5 September 2010}}



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[[Category:Sexual abuse]]

*Hope this is useful [[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 23:54, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

*Regarding the 'orphan' template that was here I've added links in [[Sexual abuse #Positions of power | Sexual Abuse (Positions of power)]] and [[Buddhism in the West #Western Buddhism Today | Buddhism in the West (Western Buddhism Today)]] and removed the template.[[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 23:38, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

: Having sex is not abusive in itself, even if a lama is involved. The whole article is far from being NPOV. I will delete the Nyahl section. -[[Special:Contributions/188.104.151.85|188.104.151.85]] ([[User talk:188.104.151.85|talk]]) 19:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

:: I note you have deleted the Nydahl section. I'm disappointed. I think it's very unskilful. Of course there is an issue involving Nydahl's sexual liasons with his students. I'm very sorry to see you take this action anonymously. That can only mean you're not prepared to debate the issue and reach a consensus. I shall accordingly open a debate on the discussion page of [[Ole Nydahl]] [[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 14:18, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

:::I would have to agree about the general un-NPOV-ness of this article.  Something doesn't seem quite right about lumping people who knowingly spread HIV to their sexual partners, or were abusive, with people who simply don't think they have to be celibate in order to be a Buddhist teacher.  Ole Nydahl might be an untrustworthy horndog, I really don't know.  I am quite offended to see Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche's name on this list however as at least one of his sexual partners has posthumously described him as a caring and non-abusive lover and to my knowledge nobody is on record describing his sexual liasons as abusive.  Hence I will be deleting it. [[User:Changchub|Changchub]] ([[User talk:Changchub|talk]]) 16:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: I have reinserted Trungpa's entry. He is directly mentioned in Sandra Bell's paper. I ask you not delete material without discussing your reasons first and seeking consensus on this page.

::::Regarding abuse you are labouring under a very considerable misconception if you imagine the term is only applicable to sex with minors. It is a generic term which includes consensual sex between adults where one party is abusing a position of trust or power. See for example [[Sexual abuse # Positions of Power]]. Trungpa entered into a relationship with his eventual wife Diana Mukpo when she was 15 years old, marrying her directly she had turned 16 taking advantage of a recent change in Scottish law which allowed such marriages without parental consent (see her own testimony in the reference linked). Even then the relationship was thought scandalous and today it must be considered abusive. That the victim does not (or did not - Diana Mukpo is equivocal on the subject) think it abusive is not relevant and especially in the case of a teacher abusing his position - consider June Campbell's experience also referenced.

::::You describe yourself as a Rimé practioner of Tibetan Buddhism on your talk page. On [[Ole Nydahl | Ole Nydahl's]] talk page you continue to defend a position where you claim a teacher can have non-abusive sex with his students but that simply isn't an acceptable position and you have no right to make these deletions because it offends your personal point of view. You should first seek that you have a consensus. Otherwise you open yourself up to accusation of covering-up the evidence. [[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 02:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

::::I can add that you plainly misunderstand the position regarding [[Ösel Tendzin]]. His behaviour was abusive in the first place because he was abusing a position of trust and power. It is not irrelevant that he spread HIV (he claimed Trungpa had told him he was 'tantrically' immune) but the abuse in the first place was possible because he was abusing his position. [[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 02:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

:::::It really seems to me that your opinion is by far the more personal and the more stubbornly held to.  A teacher student sexual relationship MUST be abusive for you, and there's just NO question about it. You say "today such things must be considered abusive" with no reasoning why. This is NOT NPOV.  My Uncle began courting my Aunt when she was still his student and 12 or 13 years his junior.  They have been happily married for decades and nobody in their right mind would characterize even a bit of the relationship as abusive.  So couldn't you maybe admit there probably are student/teacher relationships that it is inaccurate to describe as such?  I did not "plainly misunderstand" anything, from what I know of Tendzin I would consider his liaisons inappropriate even in the absence of an STD.  I never said anything about it only applying to sex with minors.  Although that doesn't necessitate abuse either if you ask me.  The 16 year old couple who choose to lovingly copulate are both having sex with minors after all. 

:::::This is a slippery slope if you ask me.  If people have to be of exactly equal status in order to have sex otherwise the person down the ladder is automatically getting "abused" regardless of whether or not they feel they are, then almost every single sexually-active person has been both abused and abusive.

:::::Wikipedia is full of pages that have shoddy use of the English language (which I would argue a sort of neo-Puritanical, PC relabeling of all sex between people of differing points on a power-structure ladder as inherently abusive is shoddy use) the Trungpa entry didn't seem up to standards to me. I'll leave it alone though since you obviously have a lot personally invested in this page of yours. [[User:Changchub|Changchub]] ([[User talk:Changchub|talk]]) 16:43, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::I shan't fisk you. The article is not a personal investment of mine and contributions are welcome. I supplied it partly as a deliberate foil to [[Catholic sex abuse cases]] and also because I had come across [[Piya Tan | Piya Tan's]] essay on inappropiate teacher-pupil relationships and was struck by the fact that practically every emerging Western Buddhist group since the 1960s that I could offhand think of has been tainted by sex abuse scandals, not just peripherally but at their very heart, and went on to study Sandra Bell's paper and thus to June Campbell's critique and thought the issue sufficiently sourced and notable to merit an article. [[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 23:46, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

==Renaming of section heading 'Recent cases ...'==
In deference to [[User:Changchub|user Changchub's]] position above I have renamed the section 'Recent cases ...'  to 'Recent alleged cases ...'. I hope this is more acceptable. [[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 04:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Changchub's position that sex between a teacher (in this context a religious teacher) and a student is not necessarily abusive, I think it would be a good idea to include a notable, sourced defence of that position if one exists. I don't know of one myself. A section 'Defence of teacher/student sexual relations' could perhaps be added.

Ideally, I suggest, the defence should address Sandra Bell's, June Campbell's and Piya Tan's criticism referenced in the article. [[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 05:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

==Ole Nydahl==
As noted above the section on Ole Nydahl was removed by [[Special:Contributions/188.104.151.85|user 188.104.151.85]] without an account and I accordingly attempted to open a debate about the issue on [[Talk:Ole_Nydahl#Sexual_abuse]] and [[Talk:Diamond_Way_Buddhism#Sex_Abuse]]. These attracted no comments and I conclude the issue of Ole Nydahl sleeping with his students is not controversial.

User 188.104.151.85's justification is that sex in itself even with a lama is not abusive. However a lama is a teacher and the teacher/student relationship is not equal. Such sexual relationships are commonly held to be abusive by definition as maintained at the beginning of the article and at [[Sexual abuse # Positions of Power]].

I have however, as noted above and in deference to [[User:Changchub|Changchub]], changed the section heading to 'Recent ''alleged'' cases'.

User 188.104.151.85's other justification was that the article is not NPOV. In the case of the Ole Nydahl entry however his justification that the relationship at coitus ''is'' equal is supplied.

I have restored the section and ask users to express any reservations on this talk page so that a consensus can be reached before unilaterally deleting the section. On the issue of whether student/teacher sexual relation can ever be non-abusive I have suggested above that a section 'Defence of teacher/student sexual relations' might be added providing of course that it is notable and sourced. [[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 16:37, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

:The Ole Nydahl entry was once again removed without reference here as requested and I have reinserted it as I shall continue to do so. [[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 09:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
::Looking at the article History I see that the user who deleted the content was one 'Prewster' but I can't find a userpage for this account. Is this a new account waiting auto-confirmation perhaps? It would be helpful if this user discussed his/her concerns on this talk page [[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 10:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

:I have added Nydahl's defence against the charge he teaches [[Neotantra #Tantic sexuality | 'Tantric sex']] and I hope this is useful and prove more acceptable to those who have twice removed his entry. If it is helpful I can add a section on 'Tantric sex' and discuss whether Nydahl teaches it or not. [[User:Rinpoche|Rinpoche]] ([[User talk:Rinpoche|talk]]) 17:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC)