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Two thoughts on 'bishop' Williamson's Holocaust denial and his paedophilia

This isn't Richard Williamson. He was a bishop. No idea if he was the other thing.
This isn't Richard Williamson. He was a bishop. No idea if he was the other thing.
This isn't Alois Hudal. He's not a bishop. We're pretty sure he's the other thing.
This isn't Alois Hudal. He's not a bishop. We're pretty sure he's the other thing.
Spot the difference

Franz Stangl, commander of the Treblinka death camp and one of the Nazi criminals Alois Hudal is believed to have helped


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Deborah Lipstadt's email to Williamson

Following are two thoughts from me on Williamson blogged in the Indie here under the monniker 'gutclean' at 9:21 pm and 6:20 am respectively (they have been slightly edited to reflect Williamson's current status in the Roman Catholic church since correctly understood by me thanks to a blog by Damian Thompson of the DailyTelegraph).

Note that what is really at issue here is not the fact of the Holocaust, which is a matter for historians, but the question of Holocaust denial. In Irving v Lipstadt 1996 Mr. Justice Grey had this to say at 13.95 of his judgement:

13.95 Even so, it appears to me to be incontrovertible that Irving qualifies as a Holocaust denier. Not only has he denied the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz and asserted that no Jew was gassed there, he has done so on frequent occasions and sometimes in the most offensive terms. By way of examples, I cite his story of the Jew climbing into a mobile telephone box-cum-gas chamber; his claim that more people died in the back of Kennedy's car at Chappaquiddick than died in the gas chambers at Auschwitz; his dismissal of the eye-witnesses en masse as liars or as suffering from a mental problem; his reference to an Association of Auschwitz Survivors and Other Liars or "ASSHOLS" and the question he asked of Mrs Altman how much money she had made from her tattoo. I reject as being untrue the claim made by Irving in his evidence that in his denial of the existence of any gas chambers at Auschwitz, he was referring solely to the gas chamber constructed by the Poles after the war for the benefit of visitors to the site or, as Irving put it, as a "tourist attraction". In this connection I refer to paragraph 9.13 above. Even if Irving had referred to gas chamber in the singular, it would not have been apparent that he was speaking of the reconstructed gas chamber at the camp.

Similarly Williamson denies the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz and must thus be considered a Holocaust denier and thus incidentally faces prosecution as a result in Germany where he conducted the interview with Swedish television that resulted in the present controversy.

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I'm now obliged to comment in The Independent rather than the DT which has apparently banned me for not being very polite to Charles Moore because he doesn't fully appreciate my enormous public service in suing Television Licensing TM.

Finally for some more verse from the English poet George Barker I quote in 2 see this page I've added to the site.

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1 Re: A full and fair enquiry
[info]gutclean wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 09:21 pm (UTC)

isaacbrown 07:12 pm


Irving v Lipstadt 1996 is definitive: electronic versions of Richard Evans celebrated expert testimony can be found at http://www.hdot.org/trial/defense/evans/ and Mr. Justice Gray's equally celebrated judgement (and a very considerable masterpiece of plain English prose style incidentally) at http://www.hdot.org/trial/judgement.

I don't wish in any way to be gratuitously offensive but I am astonished that a reader of The Independent can be as ignorant. Indeed the Holocaust is a matter of history, that is to say as matter of fact history and there is nothing in broad detail left to enquire into: in particular Jews and other minority groups were gassed to death in concentration camps at Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka and Auschwitz in their hundreds of thousands totalling eventually certainly over two million Jews altogether and previous to that at least another two million Jews were executed in villages across Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and Russia - the 'Holocaust by bullets': see for example this AP story at http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hC-IBgvPUikSyZHfy1VWy7nRQJ_gD9629GPO0

To quote from Richard Evans' expert testimony at 3.1.14: " The use of the term 'Holocaust' is ultimately a secondary issue. The essential point is that there is wide agreement that there was a systematic attempt undertaken by the Nazi regime in Germany between 1941 and 1945 to kill all the Jews of Europe, and that it succeeded to the extent of murdering between five and six million of them in a variety of ways, including mass gassings in camps specially constructed for the purpose."

WTF is it with people like you and Williamson?

2 Re: chance5
[info]gutclean wrote:
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 at 06:20 am (UTC)

With you on 'Evidence in court' 03:24 am and regarding your 'Local context' 12:14 am the dull prosaic fact of the matter is that the reason Williamson was in Argentina was most likely because he's a paedophile attracted to small boys, as many Roman Catholic priests (and especially defrocked ones) unfortunately are, and Argentina has long been regarded by pederasts of this sort as a haven for their proclivity.

Even if he's not the sexual pervert he most certainly probably is I trust he recognises my right to suggest it as an alternative view of the facts of the matter.

Following by the way are some lines from the very fine English poet George Barker writing in 1950 (from 'True Confession' and available in breach of copyright at http://www.artofeurope.com/barker/bar5.htm)

There was a priest, a priest, a priest,
A Reverend of the Oratory
Who taught me history. At least
He taught me the best part of his story.
Fat Father William, have you ceased
To lead boys up the narrow path
Through the doors of the Turkish Bath?
I hope you're warm in Purgatory.

Just putting the whole thing in a proper historical context.



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